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 4-12-2006 02:52:41 PM
Katherine
Katherine
Administrator
From: United States

I've always had a bit of a problem with the notion of ascension, whether it's the biblical version or the new age version. Escape into bliss just never felt right to me. I didn't come to this planet just to escape! blech! I know there are some marvelous things going on here now, but I came to create and face challenges and grow, among other things.

So, I really liked this email I got today from Story Waters about the Lie of Ascension

"Story Waters" wrote:
Many wish to ascend from this physical plane in order to exist as pure spirit – escaping here to get there. There is no separate spiritual plane. It is here and now, within us. This challenges the way in which we have put spirituality, the spiritual plane, on a pedestal – as being different from both what and where we are. We are the spiritual, expressed in the physical. We are the spiritual plane expressed as the physical plane. There is no difference except a choice, an angle, of perception; that is the illusion.

Our biological perceptive system creates the illusion of physical matter and time. This world is the spiritual plane expressed through our space-time perception. Physicality does not create our problems; it is the powerful lens through which we are exploring ourselves. It is time to stop blaming our physicality, our choice of expression, as the cause of our suffering. Blaming is a denial of self-responsibility – a denial of our creatorship. It is blaming a mirror for what it reflects. Physicality only ever makes manifest what is already spiritually present.

I especially liked this part:

"Story Waters" wrote:
As long as the idea of ascension contains the energy of escape thenit will be manifest as the experience of confinement (feeling trapped); escape is the creator, not liberator, of all cages. See the paradox. Release the journey of ascension to ascend. In ascension you do not go anywhere. To ascend is to open your eyes and see that you are ascended.

You can see more here: The Lie of Ascension

So, you are god already! Get over it! :D

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 4-12-2006 03:38:01 PM
Kimberley
Kimberley
Moderator
From: United Kingdom

Great post Catherine,

Perhaps we should consider the term descension, rather than ascension. Most of our problems lie in trying to ascend and escape our purpose which is BEING HERE NOW. When we ground our spirituality and live in the present we are ascended masters and then again when we forget to ground and forget our magnificence, we are still ascended masters - cat napping.


As rumi said

The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you, don't go back to sleep.

Love Kim x

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 4-12-2006 10:43:22 PM
Katherine
Katherine
Administrator
From: United States

Kimberly,

Not sure if descension descibes what is going on really either. Some people could "escape" into the baser physical aspects of life too...

My best description of what I see happening right here/now is some sort of combination of ascension, descension, integration, awareness, empowerment, transcension, and transmutation. But that doesn't fully capture it either. :/

In any case these sure are interesting times to be here now.

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 5-12-2006 12:36:21 PM
Jon
Jon
From: New Zealand

If I may respond. This whole idea of ascention seems to me to be escapeism. From my perspective, we chose to come here to learn and grow, and that to me means if we are not learning and growing we are escaping, sort of. I meet so many 'guru's' who want to ascend and channel through a spirit from the 7th realm of the 12 whatever. This to me is utter B/S. Sure the are channels, but in spirit, are the different levels or are we all one. Different levels and orders are man made, not spirit made, sorry.

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 5-12-2006 04:04:30 PM
Jay
Jay
From: United Kingdom

When I was at infant school- I wanted to escape so much from physical reality that I was taken for deaf tests, as I was always day dreaming! :)

Personally I prefer the term 'Unfolding' , as for me it reflects our true divine nature within rather than constantly looking for something 'out there'.

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 7-12-2006 12:18:39 AM
Aannsha
Aannsha
From: Australia
Katherine wrote:
My best description of what I see happening right here/now is some sort of combination of ascension, descension, integration, awareness, empowerment, transcension, and transmutation. But that doesn't fully capture it either. :/

In any case these sure are interesting times to be here now.

I think I know what you mean Katherine, for me, its a filling out of our true nature - one where we become aware of the limitations within us, hold them up to our most ideal self for transmutation with awareness - and open up to discover more of ourself within us. ....

I had a vision once, that I'm yet to post on my website with some of my other 'visions' (In the Future Visions section) - that talks about Christ consciousness returning (after many years of personal growth for each of us) - its one way of seeing our collective potential - as was shown to me. I'll put it in here:

I am one with the Eternal Spirit

Oh sweet reality! My thoughts soar like a seagull flying high above swirling green oceans as I stand here, waiting for our union.

I am standing on a hilltop; a gentle breeze lifts my long hair and then lets it fall softly back onto my shoulders. I am with a group of people, in a circle all holding hands, silently praying. Meditating. Waiting.

I look at each face, framed by the backdrop of golden green pastures – new growth springing from fertile soil. Each face - eyes closed - a picture of blissful peace, calm anticipation of His return. My heart bursts open with love for these people – brothers, sisters, friends who have worked together for so long towards this Day. My heart explands, completely enveloping this circle; welcoming, warming each precious Soul standing here.

This Day has been our focus ever since I can remember – it has brought us together and carried us through many difficult circumstances.

This Day – prepared for lovingly by each of us in daily meditations; longed for collectively in our waking thoughts; dreamed of prophetically in our nocturnal slumbers.

This Day – the point of our existence.

Suddenly, I feel the energy changing all around me. The air is becoming charged, rarified; the surroundings seem visibly less dense, shimmering in a golden/white light that is diffusing through the clouds and streaming onto the Earth.

The sound of music fills my ears. Angelic voices ring in melodic harmonics that lift my consciousness to breathtaking heights.

I take a long deep breath, drinking in this amazing prelude to His arrival and my lungs become filled with exotic jasmine perfume – perfume that filters through my whole being, until I feel like the petals of a delicate flower opening to the radiance of pure sunlight for the first time.

The breeze now feels like Angels’ wings caressing my cheeks with a touch so soft, so delicate that my whole body becomes sensually, vitally alive.

The Angels’ voices soar to a climatic height, accompanied by ethereal trumpets playing clear, light-filled notes. And then it happens.

Suddenly. Like heavenly waters breaking upon the Earth’s shore – pouring through an invisible hole from the highest dimension, flows a wave of pure Love. Invisible, yet visible, it washes over each of us.

For all my preparation, this influx of divine energy is so powerful, it nearly knocks me over.

Sheer God Force streaming through into my reality. Total unconditional love pounding at the door of my heart, which yields with a graceful bow as The Christ enters my being.

I stagger slightly and take in a sharp breath, and as I do so, I am filled with total knowing. We are one. My whole body feels so alive, so electric, I feel I will explode in a myriad of heavenly colours. My heart, so filled with love, is momentarily overwhelmed and beats as fast as the wings of a hummingbird.

My mind explodes outward, expanding on, on, further and further to the unending limits of Space. My internal eyes see stars, planets, exploding nebulae all in the flash of a split second as I am joined with the mind of God - The Vast Knowingness of the All That Is.

All I know is that I exist. All details explode into the oneness of It All. My whole body/mind/soul shudders in the ecstasy of being at one with the heart and mind of the Creator.

And now the wave recedes. Not completely - it laps against the shore of my reality - bathing, cleansing, caressing my stunned consciousness.

My eyes focus again on my shimmering surroundings.

I breathe out a long, calming breath. And I just stand there – still riveted to the spot of land that anchored me on Earth; that received the aftermath of the electric jolt as it surged through me to the core of the planet.

I become aware of myself – my slow breathing, the grateful tears streaming down my face. The feeling of peaceful completeness that I have never experienced before. The absence of the always-present longing for something-someone. I become aware of a new presence within me. Colouring my vision, my thoughts, my emotions. I’m still me, but now I am infinite in this finite body.

He is here.

Living. Breathing. Experiencing life through me. With me.

My earthly body falls to its knees, weeping with relief - thousands of lives and lifetimes sobbing their thanks through me.

I touch the Earth with my hands. The soft green grass feels good to my touch.

At last.

I am Conscious.
I am Present.
I am Home.

I AM.

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(c) copyright Aannsha Jones
(I'm going to write a book with this one in it, so I'd appreciate the copyright info going along with this vision if anyone wants to pass it on. Cheers)

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 8-12-2006 11:14:08 AM
Judy
Judy
From: Canada

You are spirit now. That is the whole point to life. You are body, mind, spirit here, now, and spirit, mind always. It is merely the body that is temporal.

There is no 'ascension' there is merely the change of vibration to another dimension. Is it merely the word that offends?

As Pierre Teilhard de Chardin expressed it: We are not a human being having a spiritual experience. We are a spiritual being having a human experience.

Is there continuity of the spirit/soul? The scientists have found it a worthy study. And a large contingent of people do believe there is 'something' beyond this earth life.

God bless, J

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 12-12-2006 12:58:52 PM
Katherine
Katherine
Administrator
From: United States
Jay wrote:
When I was at infant school- I wanted to escape so much from physical reality that I was taken for deaf tests, as I was always day dreaming! :)

Personally I prefer the term 'Unfolding' , as for me it reflects our true divine nature within rather than constantly looking for something 'out there'.

Jay, too funny. I had hearing tests too. Glad I'm not the only one, but I think I was more exploring than escaping. You must have a fantastic ability to concentrate.

Aansha,

That's an amazing vision. Be sure to tell us when the book is done. It's almost finished, riiiiight? ;)

Your vision reminded me of one I had last winter. It wasn't a vision per se, but I started sensing sounds. Thats the best way I can describe it. I could only barely hear it, but I could certainly feel it. It was very complex and seemed to be coming from the stars. It felt like the stars were singing to the planet to support her. It was an amazing sensation (my eyes are tearing even remembering it). I think our beloved planet has a lot of support right now. This is not the time to "escape".

We don't need to "ascend", we need to consciously join the miraculous symphony of the Universe.

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 12-12-2006 04:19:34 PM
Cameron Burgess
Cameron Burgess
From: Australia

nothing to do
nothing to say
nowhere to go
just this

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 15-12-2006 10:51:06 AM
Judy
Judy
From: Canada

While human beings do love the heirarchy of all...the fact is that spirit does grow and change with the lessons learned. You can call this higher, lower or in between the fact is there are differences. As the spiritual lessons are learned the soul is travelling at a different speed but quite capable of interacting in any vibration.

Then comes the judge! And I see this as the problem in the statements. To judge is to put someone above or below...while the earth is designed to give each of us the lessons necessary for our growth...from whereever to wherever is necessary to the individualized soul.

God bless, J

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 19-12-2006 12:21:57 PM
Robert Ziegler
Robert Ziegler
From: United States

Wake up and smell the Universe!
Thought is real--
It's the physical
That's the illusion.

For seekers of truth-(in relative terms)
Try this book, "In the Dawn of Enlightenment.....I Realized That...
Author: Tara
Site: http://www.sathyasaibooks.com/site/538306/product/BW071

I AM THAT I AM
I AM everything...and that from which it came..
I AM nothing...and all that arises from it.

Who is the doer?
No one. There is the ALL; the creator or process that, working through space, appears as individual acts, beings, processes, when viewed in that way; but in truth, there is only the gestalt occurrence in light

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 16-02-2011 02:12:44 AM
Suzanne
Suzanne
From: New Zealand

A clearer perspective on what ascension could be all about.

Andy posted this link on his Facebook page. I found it most interesting and wanted to share it here.

Carlos Barrios: "Anthropologists visit the temple sites and read the inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It's just their imagination. Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed."

http://lettertorobin1.site.aplus.net/id435.html

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 16-02-2011 02:12:46 AM
Suzanne
Suzanne
From: New Zealand

A clearer perspective on what ascension maybe all about.

Andy posted this link on his Facebook page. I found it most interesting and wanted to share it here.

Carlos Barrios: "Anthropologists visit the temple sites and read the inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It's just their imagination. Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed."

http://lettertorobin1.site.aplus.net/id435.html

Another link I can't activate.

Andy, Asif, Jon - NZ - help

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 13-03-2011 11:33:25 AM
Ruby
 Ruby
From: United Kingdom

I am loving this thread!
Nowhere to go, ascend/descend, evolve, grow, progress,heal, become whole journey etc etc. Nothing. Just waking up to that - I am That. I am all that I was looking for
All the spiritual awakening is a small perceptional correction that I' don't exist as a separate 'I'. The only illusion. There is no I to be found anyomore
Neo spirituality is a bit of an ego trip. As they have to do all this and that and the other to 'grow spiritually' or ascend. Nobody does nothing, Infact nobody is home let alone ascend! It all just happens in emptiness, no one doing nothing!
Bravo for posting this ascension stuff and non-sense!

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 28-03-2011 06:31:07 PM
Kevin
Kevin
From: United Kingdom
Cameron Burgess wrote:
nothing to do
nothing to say
nowhere to go
just this

On ya mate!

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 13-12-2012 05:53:52 AM
Gabriella
Gabriella
From: United Kingdom

Thanks for share this information with us, I always come across this amazing post.
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