I would like to spread the word about this amazing Therapy that I have been practising for the past several years.
My introduction to HK came about through referring a client with a skin problem to a recommended practitioner, as I was no longer able to help her with Aromatherapy, indeed it seemed to be making things worse.
In two sessions she was completely clear of the problem and I decided to have a session as I was not feeling 100% myself.
The Therapist ( who later became my teacher ) revealed to me that I was allergic and intolerant to several essential oils that I regularly used in my practice.She tested how long I should avoid these oils for and then how often I could use them in my massage.
After one session my energy levels dramatically increased and I felt much more balanced emotionally.I decided to take the plunge and train in the Therapy and have never looked back!
If anyone would like to find out more you can look at the web site:-
www.hk4health.com

Ps Details of Training in HK can also be found in the course section of H Local

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Thats great Jayne, HK is a great modality, however, there are many other Kinesiologies out there as well, all of which are just as good, and when you use more than one Kinesiology, you can find more answers than just one (any one) Kinesiology can. check out www.kinesiology.net

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Thanks for your imput Jon. I agree that its good to have as many tools as possible to offer a client.
I personally combine Bowen moves within a session frequently as I find that works really well and a lot of bodies choose this . Thats the great thing about the system as its not exclusive to other techniques and procedures but provides a framework for the Therapist in which to tailor each session and be able to offer the body whatever other skills they may have.( of course you know all this- but others reading this may not be!)
The Kinesiology Federation here in the UK which is an umbrella organisation for all the various 'K's' .Is HK training available in NZ?

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Hi Jayne, no, there is no HK in NZ, although there is one person from England who came here and still lives here, she does not do HK. From my readings, HK is the major K in Briton. Is that true? I moved to NZ over 4 years ago, and unfortunately, there is really only Touch for Health and Educ-K here. In Aussie, where I trained, we have most of the mainline K's. 3 in 1 Concepts, N.O.T., P.K.P., Biokinesiology, Applied Physioligy, Educating Alternatives, and much more. When I first began working and studying K, I soon discovered that there is a wealth of knowledge in each K, so trained in many, to give me more tools for my clients.

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Hello again Jon,
I think that HK is one of the most popular 'K's' to train in, although I can't say for sure if its the most commonly practiced one.
I know of a couple of Therapists who had originally trained in '3 in one' and did the HK training as they were looking for a more all encompassing 'K' plus the inclusion of Geopathic Stress detection/corrections. Which is a problem I'm coming across more than ever, possibly because I moved to the west coast of Scotland.
I would really like to visit NZ, I love places with mountains and water. It would be great to meet up to do a swap!
All the best , Jayne

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Hi Jayne, that would be great if you came to NZ., I would be only too happy to do a swap. (If you have broadband you can download google earth, and check out NZ, as I do with a lot of people on the forums I go to. Its really great, just go to google and type in google earth, it free)
I use 3 in1 and have found that combining it with others its really great. Geopathic stress, is something I hear a lot about from Briton, mainly from HK ers, there are a couple of K's that deal with this, and I would be very interested to know how HK deal. If you look at my website, www.meridiankinesiology.co.nz you will see the main K's that I use.

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Cheers Jayne

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Hi Jayne, yes I know the book. From my experience, some 3 in 1 Kinesiologists go way too far with the councelling side, it was neve meant to be like that. I combine 3 in 1 with a number of other Kinesiologies, so there is not much I do, if anything, that is specifically one type of Kinesiology. You can check out my website, www.meridiankinesiology.co.nz to gain a better understanding.

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Hello again Jon,

What you say about the 3 in 1 does confirm what I'd felt at the time.

I agree that Kinesiology works best when you keep your 'head' out of it ( for want of a better expression ) and I try to stay as impartial as I can to what transpires for a client in the session - its just too easy to fall into the trap of interpreting everything to the enth degree, it certainly didn't work for me as a positive experience

In HK we do use the Behavioural Barometer as well - I'll look at the site you mentioned again,

Many thanks Jon

Jayne

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jayne, the term I often use is 'interested observer'. I don't judge what is happening, I like to see what is going to happen.
However, the 2 rules of Kinesiology are what I live by.
Rule 1: There are no rules.
Rule 2: If in doubt, see rule 1.
That way, you don't let your head get in the way. Any interpretation on the part of the Kinesiologist, is only belief systems working. Let the muscles do the talking.

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I have had HK treatment and have found it to be of great help. It helped to identify food intolerances.
I had never had 'hay-fever' but after pruning trees in the garden one day, I had a terrible reaction to some blossom. The offending blossom was found out after collecting about 36 different flowers and tree blossoms. Incredible! This occurred several years since and I have never had hay-fever again!

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Hi folks!
Thanks for letting me know about this thread, Jayne, sorry I'm late!
Just to let you know, Ann Parker, the head of HK UK will be moving to NZ to live, some time in the next couple of years. She will be teaching HK and has already started to set up classes in Australia. Find out more on the hk4health website!

I have heard that HK is one of the only K's that asks 'energy permission' from the body before working, is that true? (HK is the only modality I know). When I did my Touch for Health training I found it very uncomfortable to work without permission - it doesn't matter how good your work is if the body doesn't want it or isn't ready for it!

A quote from a client and friend: 'If you want to know the answer, ask a kinesiologist'
Anna x

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Hi folks!
Thanks for letting me know about this thread, Jayne, sorry I'm late!
Just to let you know, Ann Parker, the head of HK UK will be moving to NZ to live, some time in the next couple of years. She will be teaching HK and has already started to set up classes in Australia. Find out more on the hk4health website!

A quote from a client and friend: 'If you want to know the answer, ask a kinesiologist'
Anna x

Hi Anna,
I live n NZ and have been a practicing Specialised Kinesiologist for about 10 years now, the last 5 in NZ. Its really great to see Ann Parker coming out here, thanks for letting us know.
Now on the subject of permission. You DO NOT ask the body anything, you ask the person. The body is part of the person and if you disintergrate the person by seperating the body from other parts, you are just doing what modern medicine does. When you ask the person for permission, you must ask both verbally and with muscle testing. I have no idea who taught you TFH, but the protocol of TFH is to ask permission, as it is in 3 in1 Concepts, N.O.T., Applied Physiology, BioKinesiology, Educating Alternatives, PKP and a number of others I can't think of off the top of my head. I have said this before, if you study 1 Kinesiology then you have a VERY limited view of Kinesiology. There are over 90 different Kinesiologies available in Australia. I have heard a lot of good reports about HK, and I believe it to be a great Kinesiology, but there are many other K's that fit that description. Food testing, allergy testing etc, are covered in many, many K's. HK is NOT a panacea its is simply another great Kinesiology. MY main objection to ANY Kinesiology is when they state, 'ask the body'. You can't, its not possible and in fact, Kinesiology is based on the fact you are dealing with the WHOLE person, not just the body. In fact, if you are muscle testing correctly, you are manly dealing in the sub-conscious, but you are involving the whole person.
If one of my clients said, 'If you want to know the answer, ask a Kinesiologist' then I would explain to them that they missed the whole point of what I do, I ask them, the whole person, not just the body.
check out these sites,
www.meridiankinesiology.co.nz
www.knesiology.net
www.kinesiology.nu

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Hi Jon,
well, I guess that told me, eh?
Slightly nit-picking, don't you think? When I ask a question and then muscle test the arm, do you think I am asking the ARM??? Come off it! Of course I am dealing holistically, it kind of goes without saying!
All I'm saying is, with HK, we have to have CONSCIOUS and ENERGY permission, that is not, and I know this is correct, the case with every K. Maybe you, as a practitioner, are more ethical than most, but that is your own personal standard, not across the board.
As for needing more than one 'K' to be a decent practitioner, that's just bunk.
My doctor wouldn't presume to know much about dentistry, or opthalmology, for instance, but I still believe he is a good doctor, I don't feel short-changed because he only learned one medical specialism.
I take my CPD seriously and I have many other talents beside HK, which all find their way into my work, but I'm no energy 'junkie', and I think if I never did anything other than 'pure' HK my whole career, then I would still bring tremendous benefit to many clients.

So there ; )

Anna x x

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Hi Anna,
Well I really touched a nerve, hmmm.
I have heard that HK is one of the only K's that asks 'energy permission' from the bodyNit picky, no, accurate! Too many times I see kinesiologists talk about asking the body, its rubbish.
How would you know if 'permission' is asked in other Kinesiologies, if you have not studied them. My personnal standards aside, the Kinesiologies I mentioned have a code of ethics, in most cases, and each one requires permission.
Anna, you wrote: When I did my Touch for Health training I found it very uncomfortable to work without permission - it doesn't matter how good your work is if the body doesn't want it or isn't ready for it!
To be quite honest, if you are muscle testing without asking permission, you will find that the other person will not allow you to work on them if it is not in their best interest, you seem to be saying that you are in control of the muscle testing, well, your NOT. The person being tested is, and their subconscious will not let anything bad happen, or anything inappropriate, so the only reason you feel uncomfortable when not asking permission energetically, is because of your belief system, nothing else.
"If the 'body' read person, doesn't want it or isn't ready for it", then you will not get any muscle testing at all, again, who is in control?
This is what I was trying to say, your words are the body, not holisically the person
Where did I say you needed more than one Kinesiology to be a decent practitioner? What I said was , if you only study 1 Kinesiology, you have a limited view of Kinesiology, thats all. What you study and use is not relevent, unless you are discussing Kinesiology in general.
At no stage did I say HK was not good, in fact, I think its great and benificial. All I am saying is that there are other Kinesiologies out there just as good, and to only look to one, when discussing Kinesiology, is very blinkered.
You seem to have been upset by what I said, pity, really, as my intention was not to upset, but to point out the inaccuracy of the term, testing the body.
I have, over the last few years, spoken to many, many Kinesiologists from all over the world, who practice many different types of Kinesiology, sometimes they use one type, sometimes they use more than one, it doesn't matter. What does matter is that Kinesiology is VERY broad spectrum and people need to understand that HK is not the only Kinesiology out there, and therefore should not use HK as a benchmark for Kinesiology, in fact, no one Kinesiology should be used as a benchmark.
Sorry if what I said upset you.
Jon

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Okay, whatever.
The reason I mention permission is only because, in this country at least, HK is one of a tiny handful of Ks that uses verbal questioning. I understand other Ks work in priority, but personally I consider that a different thing.
Yes, I'm a bit green and haven't been around as long as you, but my teachers, believe me have been around a lot longer. I was taught HK by Ann herself and my TFH tutor also has many years of experience, in many Ks and TFH.
So, any second-hand knowledge I've picked up I choose to rely on, but I'm always ready to learn more.

A lovely friend once said to me: 'The more you know, the less you need to show'

Anna

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I understand other Ks work in priority
What does this mean, I have not heard this before in terms of how K's work. From my experience, most K's work with challenge, rather than verbal questions, as verbal questioning can get the belief system involved.
What other K's are available in the UK, aside from TFH and HK.

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Hi Jon and Anna,

I can only speak for HK in that 'priority' just means the next proceedure (which has been muscle tested) to do.
Energy imbalances are then corrected by finding a way of triggering a key stress to make the system go out of balance, then touching the correct combination of points to rebalance the system.

I know the verbal approach to muscle testing in accessing the inner wisdom is where HK and other K's 'fall out' .I think verbal questioning does have its pit falls as we are after all only human, but the key lies in the precision with which the questions are asked and this is where the real skill of being a good HK practitioner lies. After all , any tool can be subject to being influenced. A check that I sometimes use is 'am I working free of self will?'
Sometimes I'm not ( the answer isn't always yes!)
I for one am glad we can discuss on here as we all can learn from each other about the different approaches...
I think that most of the K's are here in the UK,the Kinesiology Federation is an umberella for many branches of Kinesiology, and it is what unites us rather than what divides us which I think is by far the most important thing.
I'm just glad that Kinesiology as a whole is being recognised for the fantastic system that it is!

Jayne

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Hi all..........I like a bit of electricity .....some ding dong .

Can I just say that I think there is possibly a semantic problem going on here???

What I would say is that asking' the body' is not asking the body and not the mind.Words have a tendency to limit and obscure meaning.

The thing about verbal questioning is surely that if one is not sure of conscious intervention by the client ...one does it silently.In this way one stays closer to working energetically as one is meant to.

As for working free of self will.......have no agenda of ones own ....including money.
(the biggest agenda of them all)......hmmm.....difficult

John

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I think the term ' asking the body' or 'asking the energy system' is a phrase which is used for the sake of convenience. Is this what you mean by 'Semantics' John?
Whether you call this accessing of other than conciousness 'inner wisdom ', 'body knowledge' or 'higher consciousness', it matters not to me, but the wise / rigorous use of muscle testing can deliver some outstanding results.

I was of the understanding that Jon was referring to the belief system of the Therapist in his last post? (Possibly due to a previous post in this thread)
Personally I do ask some questions silently to avoid the influence of the client although when it comes to the various corrective proceedures, they would not understand the terminology of the language anyway (unless they were another practitioner )as its a bit like shorthand.
When I mentioned the 'free of self will' check, I was referring specifically to which issues or corrective techniques were being high-lighted for the client -

The thing about kinesiology (and other therapies) which I've heard being used against them is that there aren't always set proceedures for a certain problems ( and with HK never). ie .they're deemed unscientific and cannot be tested in the usual sense.
Practitioners develop their own ways of working with a system and each therapist is as individual as the client they are working with. Similarly each branch of Kinesiology reflects the interests and personality of its creator. Dr Jimmy Scott, who developed HK, was a psychologist who was building a practice in biofeedback and relaxation training before coming across Kinesiology and attended many workshops in the different methods before developing his own system.

I like the analogy of a cake:-
When asked to chose a slice of cake, one person might ask for the chocolate cake, another for the cake with the cream in it and another with the nuts on top.
They could all be talking about the same cake, but each person labels/ views it in a different way and therefore goes on to 'work' in a different way- and so it is with different pactitioners, clients and the different K's.
There are usually a number of different ways/ paths to the same goal and resolving a problem at an energetic level.

As for the money thing- If you are working for the highest good ( and most therapists are - I like to believe! ) Then it is your intention which is the crucial factor here. As long as a fair exchange is operating then I can't see a problem.
In my experience many Therapists do not charge enough, rarely 'too much'.

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