I am feeling really fed up with all things Reiki and Spiritually , whats that saying ? What you give out you get back ten fold? Well I must be using a muck spreader because all I keep getting is **it back ! I work in a good kind way, I help people, I do not charge the earth for treatments, I go the extra mile with clients,an hour treatment is often hour and half to two hours for 1 hour price. I started a share group because I was asked to, I'm so blonde I even pay subs myself as I did not want to profit from the share, instead the money pays the rent and the residue gets puts in a pot to go towards events like having visiting therapists ie crystal healers etc giving us cut price sessions, we all recently had readings and we had enough to pay out of the pot and left over money. Yet there is very little commitment from group members,the group charge is only £5 for three hours in that you get refreshments, healing,learning, fun and laughter. I give up, I am really ready to chuck in the towel. Does anyone else find they give give give and get back **it **it **it? Lynne

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Hi Lynne,
Well unfortunately you have found out the hard way that while you are willing to 'do all the work' others are willing to stand back and let you.If you have expectations you will always be disappointed.If you are the only one doing any work then let others pay for your time even if it only amounts to you not putting money in the 'pot'.You are the one organising the venue, the one responsible for the rent even if the numbers dwindle and you don't raise enough for the rent.
Also you are doing yourself no favours by undervaluing yourself with your clients.If you are a therapist professionally earning your living then you need to be professional with your time.Your clients won't value you any more by giving them free time.
I know when one wants to make a difference to others lives we tend to give freely but keeping personal time and professional time separate is necessary.This does not change how you treat your clients but adds value to your services.You are worth more than being disrespected by others or disrespecting yourself by your actions.
L&L
Dave

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Hi Lynne,

I learned the same lesson (thats thats a separate message altogether! Never undervalues what you give. from a business persepctive, you could do with doubling the fee for your group thing. It will weed out the people who are happy to go through the motion to those who really value what you offer.

I'm not suggesting that that everything is monetary, but you cannot be successful when undercutting to the point of making a loss. Does not make business sense.

On a spiritual side, you do not give to get back right? You give because its the right thing to do, the "ten times "metric is hearsay and cannot be quantified. Putting numbers on it doesnt work. My wife grandfather recently passed away, and he had very little inthe way of possesions, but to see him at family events, he seemed likes the wealtiest man inthe universe, what was important to him was his (massive) family, and at the age of 89, he had a few decendents to say the least! To quote my friend in another thread he is referring to a book called "the prophet"..

""You give but little when you give of your possessions. It is when you give of yourself that you truly give."
Kahlil Gibran

Acts of kindness are their own reward, not as a guarentee of a 10 fold return on investment.

Make this shift in your understanding and see what happens! When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at...change! Good luck and keep that very pure intention of helping people firmly in place, its what makes the world a better place, well done! Onwards and upwards!

Peace

Asif

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Hi Lynne, well there is a few things I could say, but the damn Asif said it all. Do follow his advice, it's very good, IMO.

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Hi there,

Absolutely Asif, you said it all, but I'm barging in anyway!

I read recently that if you give something and then you don't get the result or the recognition you were expecting, and so feel aggrieved, then you were not giving freely in the first place. You were giving from the place of your ego, not your heart. The heart expects nothing because it needs nothing. We are all connected in this universe and if you give kindness to another, you are giving to yourself, so why would you need to expect anything more than you are already receiving in the giving? (if you get my drift).

Why do you feel you're getting s**t? What did you expect when you started on this path? A halo??! If it's just financial, then just put your prices up!

We all get fed up, it's part of life as a fringe-dweller. Just got to get over it and carry on, I'm afraid!

Enjoy your day and know that you are always loved.

Anna

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One point I would make Lynne, is that rescuers are actually victims in disguise. Are you being a rescuer?

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Hi Dave, thank you for that ( a flick in the ear is good at times) I never actually thought of it that way,but I see your points. Yes, I think a revamp of Lynne is probably called for, I do give more of me than I should, but then that is my nature and I am a giver for my faults. I should also realise that others don't necessarily feel they should commit to something, but then again yet another of my faults,gosh you are opening my eyes to me today.Thank you Dave, sound advice accepted well. Lynne

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Hi Lynne, I do know where you are coming from, we as spiritual peeps do not expect to get things back.
However when we are in charge of a meeting, circle etc we do expect good manners and common curtessy which are not spiritual just human nature.
A simple phone call if you cant make it to a meeting is such good manners and respectful, not just to the organiser but to the other peeps involved in the meeting.
Sometimes I think we can all read too much into a simple post! and I feel this was what you were trying to get across.
I know what you mean the old saying 'you can take a horse to water, but you cant make it drink leaps to mind' meaning we can all help until we are blue in the face but until someone helps themselves and participates they wont learn very much!
And yes I guess there is a lesson in helping too much, stop and help yourself.
Cas

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Loving that quote Lynne, put a smile on face this morning, see you're giving without even knowing it... thank you!

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Dearest Lynne,

May the Winds of Change blow the Blessings of Pure White Light your way today & in the future in your personal & business ventures. You have learnt your lesson.

Heart Felt Blessings Dear Child of the Cosmos,

Patricia xx

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Hi Carol,
Actually good manners are spiritual as they are a part of the yamas and niyamas of yoga and IMHO one of the most important limbs of yoga.
L&L
Dave

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Hi David
Is that the same as the Buddhist idea of right action? I'm no expert on these matters! Seems to make sense, though.

Glad you're feeling better anyway, Lynne. You're right, one day's catastrophe is tomorrow's scarcely remembered anecdote.

Enjoy your week!
Anna x x

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Hi Anna,
Similar ideas I guess although I am not a bhuddist so I cannot say for certain.
In brief the eight limbs, or steps to yoga, are as follows:

Yama : Universal morality
Niyama : Personal observances
Asanas : Body postures
Pranayama : Breathing exercises, and control of prana
Pratyahara : Control of the senses
Dharana : Concentration and cultivating inner perceptual awareness
Dhyana : Devotion, Meditation on the Divine
Samadhi : Union with the Divine
The first two limbs that Patanjali describes are the fundamental ethical precepts called yamas, and the niyamas. These can also be looked at as universal morality and personal observances. Yamas and niyamas are the suggestions given on how we should deal with people around us and our attitude toward ourselves. The attitude we have toward things and people outside ourselves is yama, how we relate to ourselves inwardly is niyama. Both are mostly concerned with how we use our energy in relationship to others and to ourselves.

The yamas are broken down into five "wise characteristics." Rather than a list of dos and don’ts, "they tell us that our fundamental nature is compassionate, generous, honest and peaceful."
http://www.expressionsofspirit.com/yoga/eight-limbs.htm This link will give further details if you wish.
L&L
Dave

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