What do people here think of David Icke?

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Namaste Jon,

I'll have a go at this one.

I first read some of his material back in about 95 and went to one of his talks in 97, the week Princess Diana died. Since then I have developed some mixed feelings about the guy.

Firstly I have a lot of admiration for him. I can't think of anyone else who has been so publicly ridiculed to the severe degree he has, and for so long too. Yet he has stuck to his guns and pushed forth. He was the laughing stock of a nation for many years but he seems to have taken this negativity and used it in a positive fashion. So anyone who can do that I gotta tip my hat to, regardless of whether or not I think they are full of it.

Regarding the info he presents - I'm with him up to a point. Most of his comments on social conditioning, the banking system, think tanks, education, religion, organizations like the Bilderberg Group and the Council of Foreign Relations, and other related topics I can pretty much go with.

However, when it comes to topics such as ancient bloodlines and reptiles I can't agree. For the other aspects I mentioned in the above paragraph I can find evidence of, but trying to find verifiable evidence of bloodlines and reptiles I can't do. While there are somethings I can take on faith, these are just too big a leap for me.


Om Shanti
Neil

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I have a lot of respect and admiration for him, but like Neil, find the shape shifting reptilian bit a bit far fetched. Who knows, he may be right.

Love
Yasmin
Stairway Of Life

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Never shy to share an opinion yourself Jon, what do you think of Mr. Icke?

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My opinion of David Icke is pretty much the same as Neil's except I think there's a lot more to the reptilian thing than most people would like to admit. I'm certainly not a big believer in the idea of human/reptilian shapeshifters, but I have no doubts that there are a lot of negative forces (reptilian or otherwise) that are of a metaphysical nature, which are ultimately behind most of the power structures on this planet right now.

I've come across this information from dozens of different sources, and a lot of it before I even read my first David Icke book (I've only ever read about 2 or 3 of his many books). It's fair to say that David Icke doesn't really deliver much information that's new, he just researches and collects information and presents it in his own unique style that is usually very interesting and understandable to many people.

My main criticism of David Icke is that I think he's given far too much trust to sources that have turned out to be less than credible. The main reason he believed that members of the global elite were reptilian shapeshifters is because he believed all the eye-witness accounts that he'd come across on his research - people who came to him, who he deemed to be reliable and trustworthy. I don't think these people were nutjobs, but I think David has been purposefully fed a steady stream of disinformation, probably by people connected to the elite, to lead him down a few wrong paths and to ultimately discredit the parts of his work that definitely should be taken seriously.

I think David Icke is ultimately a disinformation artist, but not a deliberate one. He's been fed so much information that he himself doesn't really know what's true and what's not any more, and so it's easy to see why a lot of people have a hard time taking him seriously. Personally I would estimate that about 60% of what he says is very accurate. 20% is half accurate, and 20% is pure bullshit.

Andy

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Hi All,
I have never read any of his books but did see a program on him on the tv within the last 12 months where they interviewed him.Listening to him talking about when his 'insights' or information started it occured to me that he showed common symptoms of a spontaneous Kundalini awakening.These can include, pain, heat in the body, visions, voices, psychotic like symptoms and various other things.Not sure if this is how he 'received' his information or not but it gives food for thought.
L&L
Dave

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Hi all
David, I don't know anything about Kundalini awakening except I've heard it can be a bit dodgy in the unprepared. Is it common for people who are experiencing this to believe they have encountered reptilian life forms, or similar? I mean, is that a well documented effect?

Only I've come across the whole reptile thing a lot lately and it really bothers me, since the people I'm reading it from are otherwise completely sane and credible. Is there some reason why reptiles have become the harbingers of all evil in our society? We may not want our ruling elite to be cosmic lizards, but hey, they're all god's creatures, right?? Why do earthlings think we have the monopoly on Lightworking? I don't honestly believe paranoia has any place in a person who is truly heart-centred. Paranoia - it's just FEAR, yes?

I'd appreciate your views!
Thanks
Anna x

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Yes, there's a lot of information about the reptilians coming from many different sources, including alien abductees, psychics & intuitives, shamans, channellers and also military & black-op insiders.

I think it's safe to conclude one of two things:

1) The reptilian beings are real
2) There's been a deliberate attempt by the elite to spread a reptilian 'meme' to encourage people to believe in their existence.

It's difficult to say which is the most unlikely!

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I used to live on the Isle of Wight and, when talking to my son a while back about him, he suddenly realised who I meant & told me that Icke's son was in his class at school & that he was friends with him. This realisation really surprised him, as he'd met the father several times & said that he appeared a perfectly normal bloke who behaved in a perfectly normal way!

I have never actually read any of Icke's books, although I've seen him on TV, and he obviously had some kind of spiritual big bang that he couldn't really handle properly. I think he now admits to this himself. Openings can be very difficult.

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"Some individuals, doubting claims of reptilian humanoid sightings or contacts, suggest that the mythological preeminence of reptilian forms could stem from a genetic memory of instincts developed millions of years ago, when mammals were the prey of the reptiles which dominated the Earth. Dreams of reptiles are often interpreted as symbolizing "ancient drives" and "instinctive responses".

Just found that on the Crystal-links website. Now this does make sense to me!

Miasmic lizards, much more sensible!

Anna x

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From most of the responses I get the impression that most people aren't too familiar with Icke's work. To me it is very sad that the old lizard aspect is what gets all the attention. Before his work heads into this area there is a lot more digestable material. Though some of his books are a monster read. Titles like 'The Robot's Rebellion' and '....and the Truth Shall Set You Free' are very meaty works. There is a heck of a lot of info in them. Where as other books, such as 'I Am Me. I Am Free' aren't of the same depth. Besides from Andy I wonder how many others are actually familar with other aspects of his work and have read any of material or watched any of his videos? I get the impression that most folk don't really know anything about the majority of what he says. So for anyone interested -

Big Brother: the Big Picture From when he stood in the Howden and Haltemprice byelection in July of 2008

David Icke - Was He Right? Documentary shown on Channel 5 (in the UK) just under two years ago.

At the Oxford Union Icke addressing the Oxford Union Debating Society

Ok I'll stop here before I start sounding like an Icke devotee! There is some interesting stuff in these vids, some I agree with very much and some of it I would need a tab of strong LSD before I could think it was so.

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3)This concept is just complete nonsense perpetually fuelled by it being a bizarre suggestion in the extreme.

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Neil wrote:

3)This concept is just complete nonsense perpetually fuelled by it being a bizarre suggestion in the extreme.

Can you explain why something would be perpetually fuelled simply because it's a 'bizarre suggestion in the extreme'. Who actually does that? (apart from cretins of low intelligence).

There are many highly intelligent researchers who take this subject very seriously, and for good reason - there's more than enough evidence to rule out the fact that it's total nonsense. But you hve to read much further than just a few David Icke books, Neil.

I completely realise that on the surface it all sounds completely nuts, and it's not a subject I ever took seriously until a few years ago. However, when you do start to dig a bit deeper you'll find that explanations like 'This concept is just complete nonsense perpetually fuelled by it being a bizarre suggestion in the extreme' just doesn't cut it I'm afraid.

Now I'm not saying that these 'beings' are definitely real. But there's far more to this subject than people of a low IQ spreading fantasy and make-believe. There's far too much consistency and similarities between information that comes from completely unconnected people around the world. If people all around the world were just making these stories up then these similarities wouldn't make any sense.

When it comes to alien encounters the similarities between peoples experiences, and their descriptions of these beings (whether greys, nordics, or reptilians), are pretty staggering if people were just pulling their accounts from their imagination.

Plus, you only have to do a cursory bit of research into the abduction phenomenon to conclude that many of these people:

1) Have been deeply traumatised by their experiences
2) Are definitely not seeking any kind of fame or fortune (the vast majority stay fairly anonymous, and almost nobody has ever made a penny from telling their story)
3) Had zero, or very little, previous knowledge of the phenomenon

However, the abduction phenomenon is just one piece of the jigsaw. When you start to put together all the other pieces you'll start to see a much clearer picture emerging. A picture that can't be written off as mere 'nonsense'.

Andy

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So, Jon, what can you conclude so far???

How is Lizard-boy received over there? (sorry Neil, I'm just feeling mischievious!)

Anna

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WOW what a great discussion.
Neil, I do have an opinion, your right, and I will post it, I just need a little time to gather my thoughts. I'm very busy at the moment.

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Neil
I felt thoroughly chastened by your reply (in a good way!), so I went onto Icke's website to have a look around and a browse around the forum too.

OMG what a crazy loon. Sorry, but that man is a paranoid, egotistical crazy man!

And the people on the forum..... words fail me.


Still, truth is found in the strangest places. I don't want to discount his efforts. But I'll stay on my own little path for now, I think.

Anna x

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I disagree that he's crazy, but he's certainly very egotistical and that's another of my big issues with the guy. He likes to preach that 'infinite love is the only truth' but I never feel any love or warmth from his words. I'm not a fan of the guy mainly for that reason.

Yes, I wouldn't wish his discussion forum on anyone. I've been there a couple of times and it's definitely not a fun place to be, although as far as I'm aware, David doesn't take part in it.

Andy

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Hi Andy
Well, that's something at least, though these people are not helping the bloke's cause, he should take charge or something! That's ego verging on craziness!

Thanks for the info!
Anna

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Hi Anna,
Well I don't know about visions of reptiles but certainly snakes and other visions are common with Kundalini awakenings. When I received shaktipat (energy transfer) to awaken the Kundalini in 2005 I experienced several visions, sounds and smells and it is very common.With a sponataneous awakening psychotic type symptoms are common which are similar to what David Icke expereinced I believe.
L&L
Dave

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So, I guess, instead of designing a wacky website and spouting off to vulnerable nitwits about reptile aliens, what he should have done was go away and sit quietly for as long as was necessary to thoroughly assimilate these changes in his consciousness?

I always think, if in doubt, sit quietly and things will resolve themselves (apart from my tax returns, blegh!)

Anna x

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