Hi Andy, I don't know if Jon, a regular NZ contributer to Holisticlocal has noticed, but I would say every second time I go to login to the site from NZ, it is not active. I had this problem again tonight. Out of interest I went to Canada and Australia and had no problem bringing up the site.This has been a problem for some time.
Not a problem for me. But you did ask!!

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Occasionally I have tried to login & this site is 'not available'. Not very often though.

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I've just realised that if you can't access the website at all. ie. if you're getting 'server not found' error messages or something similar. Then that means one of either two things:

1) The server is down, and nobody can access the site
2) Your ISP is for some reason not allowing you to access the server.

As far as I'm aware there's no way at all we could prevent someone from just accessing Holistic Local.

The only thing we potentially could do would be to prevent people with a particular IP address from LOGGING IN to the website. And right now we can't even do that because it's not a function that Jason has programmed in and I doubt he ever will.

I hope that ends everyone's paranoid delusions. Feel free to run that past any internet expert you might know. I'm pretty sure they will say the same thing.

Andy

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I hope that ends everyone's paranoid delusions

Andy, I am NOT paranoid, its just everyone IS out to get me.... and John too. (if I had icons, I'd put a wink here)

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Personally I think it's evil transdimensional aliens, they're out to get everyone!

(Jon to put a wink, just type a semi-colon followed by a close-parenthesis. Smiley icons will then appear automatically. You can also use a full-colon for a proper smile)

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couldnt happen to a nicer guy....right everyone GET 'IM!!!!

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Yes Jon we're an item .

So for all the fine words and explanations ...I'm left with the fact that:

no access to anything www.holisticlocal every time at anytime all the time for 3 months ...then within days of the video post suddenly its access with no problem everytime anytime .

If it wasnt for the latter happening I would just have left it as a post and that would be that. But it is the one concrete thing that happened ...and has its on logic and truth.

All words are spin as a matter of course .....so we can always create a position / explanation... but people are not just creatures of reason nor are we totally reasonable ,and rational .

I went on a hunch... put a hook in the water ....and I got a bite ....What happened was someones reflex reaction ....for whatever reason ....perhaps because not to do it leaves them potentially exposed ...even traceable .

Or its just a coincidence ? (be interesting to see what the usual conspiracy theorists here now come out with on this one........oooh hummm must just be a coincidence ...or( and this would be a laugh coming from them )....your delusional John! )

Sorry if this disappoints or affronts peoples sense of "reasoning " and "rationality" but thats the reality of it .....it speaks its own story

Anyhow as I said before..... shit happens ..and the darkside is often nearer than we think......Anyhow look on the good side .....its livened things up a bit !

I'm sure we'll all get over it ......and I'll go back to just the occasional.....so we'll all be "happy ever after " in our "happy world"

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Suzanne wrote Hi Andy, I don't know if Jon, a regular NZ contributer to Holisticlocal has noticed, but I would say every second time I go to login to the site from NZ, it is not active. I had this problem again tonight. Out of interest I went to Canada and Australia and had no problem bringing up the site.This has been a problem for some time.
Not a problem for me. But you did ask!!
I can say this, I have never had a problem accessing HL, so I can only say, is John paranoid??????
No way is John paranoid, just persecuted, like all conspracy theorists.

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I wish you hadn't said that Jon. Now I am worried! I did read all about the recent deflating of the Waihopai spy-tracking devise, but I swear I had nothing to do with it.

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but I swear I had nothing to do with it.

Hmmmmmmm

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does seem weird if this was the only site you had trouble with, good job you posted the video or we might never have saw you again!
Welcome back!!!!

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Ahh thats very sweet of you donna .......the silence since my last post is deafening ....but then whats new in that?....when you havent an answer what can you do?!

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Sorry, I didn't actually realise you were expecting a response from me. It seemed like it was turning into a pointless argument with no way to resolve it, and I really have no idea what else you want me to say on this subject.

There was no blocking, no conspiracy against you. No nothing. And yes, I do accept it was a very odd coincidence that everything started working after the video was posted, but that's all it was - a very odd coincidence. Or perhaps there was a connection between Neil logging in as you from a different computer and things starting to work again. It's not a connection I can fathom, but who knows? Very strange and weird things do sometimes happen. Like this with JFK for example!

The bottom line is that I can't possibly prove I didn't block you. All I can give you is my word on the matter.

So I'm sorry John, but if you believe I'm lying to you and still think there was a deliberate intention to prevent you from accessing the site then can I suggest you cancel your membership. Because if you still believe I was deliberately blocking you then you must feel very unwelcome here and that's only going to create bad vibes which I don't want.

I think that's all I have left to say on this subject. I'll be away for the next four days, so if you do ask anything that needs a response, I won't be able to get back to you until Monday.

Thanks
Andy

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Actually I wasnt expecting a reply .It was as far as I was concerned just a statement to Donna ...and if she hadnt just shown a little critical thinking then I don't think anyone else was .So I would of left it.

This situation reminds me of a Millgram experiment when when confronting someone with some perceived authority or control we will forgo what we see and accept as told. Taking the affirmation of the authoritive without due evaluation of what is right under our noses. But then this is the UK where we are renowned for our obseqiuence ...(unlike the french....).The one I am thinking of is the one where only one student says a line is longer than the other(which it is) but the other students ( who are in on it say no its not .)....He eventually concedes to the lie .

Any Democracy is only as good as those who work to defend it ,and those who have any sort of power over us be it great or small must be prepared to accept that at times they can expect to be tested ,scrutinized and not necessarily taken at their word . It goes with the territory and they should be understanding of this and not dismissive of it ....and I think all here will agree with this .

Lets be straight here this is not as personnel for me as you might think. I dont dislike you Andy...infact despite what I think are some wacko ideas you might have I get the feeling your on the whole a likeable guy. So lets get that out of the way.

What you are as along with others at Holisticlocal is " human " . I also can well understand that I might "piss you off ".....you wont be the first ...I can asssure you!!! I,m outspoken and my views somewhat unconventional at times as I tend to demand a proposition live up to contradiction ...and this does "get" to some people.

And here lies the problem...which actually to be honest I have avoided saying as theres a part of me that isnt really that bothered...and I dont think it will make one jot of difference here , as I think you have the game hand as the authority figure here ,and no one bar donna has even put their head up and said...youve got a point.... does sound odd .

First off I really dont buy you not twigging what the video and post was about and who it was aimed at( especially in the context of not having been around for ages ( which others noted )) . then the bluff bluff...then the question regards computers and all this time you havent got a clue until on anther subject line ( choose where you want to fight ) )...you suddenly get it .........hmmmmm no not convinced.

More importantly you start off saying yes you can block someone .... I quote:

"I know that occasionally discussion forums will use this tactic as a last resort in order to deal with 'trolls' if they persistently keep rejoining (usually after having been banned) to cause more trouble. However, it's not a particularly effective tactic because all said troll needs to do is either change ISP, use an internet cafe, or use an anonymous proxy service."

then later it turns into and I quote....

"As far as I'm aware there's no way at all we could prevent someone from just accessing Holistic Local.

The only thing we potentially could do would be to prevent people with a particular IP address from LOGGING IN to the website. And right now we can't even do that because it's not a function that Jason has programmed in and I doubt he ever will."

So this last one now contradicts the first one , which seemed to role off your tongue with some authority.

Also you make claims about not having the programming to do it.Again I quote:

"it's not a function that Jason has programmed in and I doubt he ever will."

You see the trouble I have with this Andy is that this all just looks like you "manouevering " for some sort of covering position, that actually doesnt add up or represent reality.
The website builder I told you about ( award winning by the way) took a look at this and just laughed , and said ..."you'r e in full control" of who can get access ,and what goes on on your site."

The "software " you need is already on your computer .all you need to do is create an htaccess file or hypertext file or config file .Its something that website owners use all the time for various things. And in the case of wanting to block someone from accessing your site you simply write something like:


order deny,allow
deny from 209.23.123.110


This will block access to your main pages, and all pages in all subdirectories. To block them from seeing only one, or some subdirectories, place the .htaccess directives above in the highest subdirectory that you want blocked. See
http://support.im1.net/hosting/block_ips.htm

Also if need be ..you can create whatever error message you want so that it looks like what you want it to look like .http://www.htaccess-guide.com/index.php?a=3

So you see going back to the millgram experiment ......Im being asked to believe your affirmation ( as others are ) when in actual fact the evidence stacks up pretty strong to the contrary .Of course one can always find a way of making an argument ....but contradiction will emerge at some point to make it clearer. I think your just doing a bit of the old Pied Piper as I cant think you and certainly not Jason will not know all this ...

You appear to be mystifying what is quite straight forward and standard practice
I think what your doing is putting some smoke around this ip address thing ....

As you will know full well ...because its recorded on your page- visited- counters and in front of you on the screen ....that my ip address is different to everyone elses and stands out as being so .. As I use my mobile phone as a modem , the ip designated to 3 mobile is relatively static and only dynamic in the last 2 digits( whereas most others will change across the range ) and is really easy to deny ... It isnt regional...and relatively few users of it .

Also though perhaps not traceable ( though there can be things in the error message ) this sort of thing is totally deduceable to one being blocked as once you rule out as I did possible problems with my provider or the search engine ...youve only got one conclusion to come to ....and then when I put the video up .... someone makes a reflex reaction because they know this will be the case ..... Again not straight away but in a few days.

So there you go . Im sorry but I cant deny the evidence of my eyes and the lines of logic that have been followed here . If you can offer me something else then sure .....but leave coincidence out of it ...please !!!

I remember once as a 9 year old I walked into a chemists and asked if he had some Salt Peter and he looked at me somewhat inquisitively and accusingly said " your trying to make gunpowder ..arent you?!!!
To which I said with a look of shock horror at being so accused.... No!

To some how add to the illusion of my being honest...I then asked with a look of total innocence on my face if he had any charcoal ( another essential ingredient of gun powder) .....To which he just said rather demonstrably again ...your trying to make gun powder !!!...again I stated infatigably ...No I wasn t !!!!

Was I ?....course I was ..what else would a 9 yr old be doing !!

Ps No, Ive never felt not welcome here nor persecuted and I like many of the folks here ,,,and I wont be keeping this going much longer either ...as yes it could effect the vibe if you let it . ....but Im not being funny with you nor do I intend to be in the future after this ....Its just life -

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If it's not too late to say, I just wanted to add that some months ago I had constant problems logging in. Dare I say it, I became a little paranoid each time, thinking I had been blocked.

I would not be able to access 'holistic' for a few hours at times. More recently, this has been less frequent, but can still happen. Or, it may take an age to get going, i.e. I am stuck on the 'home' page for about 20 minutes and usually close down because I end up wondering if I will be there all day!

But I do remember times when I simply had no access.

Ann

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Your comment is most welcome Ann and hopefully another nail in the coffin of John's wacky conspiracy beliefs.

Here's a few more emails I've received. One is an email I just got a few days ago, which came as a bit of a surprise because I thought the connectivity problems had mostly ended, but obviously not. Here's an email I got from Karen

Subject: CANT CONNECT WITH WEBSITE

Am finding it impossible to reach website which seems a constant problem. 'Please advise.

Karen

(Karen also provided her phone number. I'm more than happy to give you it John, just in case you want to reassure yourself that Karen is a real person and not a figment of my imagination. Just ask and I'll give you it).

Next is a message I got not so long ago from Jan Jeapes:

Subject: Trouble with your web site?

I have constant trouble with your web site? It either does not load or when I am trying to work on it editing my site through you or anything else it loses its conection? It is becoming tiresome as I have paid for this and constantly have to log in again and again?

Do you know why this could be...I do not have trouble with any other sites...I know that some sites maybe busy at certain times of the day...but this is no joke...

Could you please look into this for me and if you can come up with any suggestions I would appreciate it....

Jan Jeapes

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(again I can provide email address and phone number if there's any doubt about the authenticity of these emails).

I could say a lot more, but I won't. I think my obvious lack of knowledge about .htaccess files is pretty much proof I haven't been blocking anyone.

So there you are John. Others are having serious and regular connectivity problems too. Neither you or anyone else is being blocked, we've had ongoing server problems for quite awhile now, that (I hope) are only affecting a small minority of people.

So please take your pseudo-philosophical horseshit some place else.

Thanks
Andy

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Thanks for the point Anne but this was in a different league. as this went on for months.Its the circumstance of itsreturn is what triggered this and so its not really the point now .

So Andy ...Im to take responsibility for not knowing ...what has up to know not been known....hmmm.....but then that might fit with the logic of your hyper dimensional ...backwards....forwards ..up your arse Montalk world...Andy.
But seemingly you have a problem with taking responsibility for what you actually say.

"Yes and as Anne says ...she thought she might have been blocked ...so what you getting up tight about .??...Isnt that just what Ive said .

But then I knew you were going to use what Anne says as your master stroke ....your becoming predictable . The trouble is that it has moved on from somebodies temporary connectivity issues to the logic of your defence, which clearly you cant cope with.

All I was doing was following the logic of what you have said with what is out there for all to find and the logic within it and with the view of someone like yourself and Jason

If that becomes pseudo philosophoical horse shit ...try some of your guru Montalk.."If you want to know the truth ...go to" is the way I think you put it.

"Cosmic tyrants exist who seek to assimilate entire worlds into their empire. The premature invasion of those who have targeted us could lead to conflicts threatening the two resources they have come here to exploit: earth and its inhabitants. They prefer that we willingly hand over ourselves and the planet with the least amount of resistance. This can only happen under the condition that we are unaware of their true nature or agenda. Preparing such deception requires much groundwork. Thus, they have chosen to covertly and patiently manipulate human society toward that end.

Their preferred method of subversion is to create elite among the population who do the dirty work of enslaving the rest. What we know as the “secret government” is an occult technocracy comprised of these elite humans. The secret government is using problem-reaction-solution techniques to frame world conflicts as pretexts for the establishment of a “New World Order,” an overt global totalitarian regime "
http://montalk.net/alien/35

HMMMMM who inhabits the world of pseudo philosophical horse shit now ???

Your a joke mate and all you can do now is have a tantrum and accuse me of the very thing you have the greater tendency towards .....perhaps this is part of their (the above) master plan .....!!!!!!!!

You aint got an answer so do what you want Andy ....I think your chomping on the bit !!!!.......be a big boy ...and go for it !!!!!!........who gives a shit !!!

Ps ...htaccess or a config file IS the very thing you would have to use to keep those pesky trolls you said you could control.....oops

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Nah, the joke's on you mate. Because you're obviously not willing to accept you're wrong. No matter what I say, you still want to believe you were right all along and that I was blocking you.

It seems to me that you think you're some kind of revolutionary thinker who wants to believe their views are just far too radical for others to accept, and therefore you need to be censored. Isn't that what you really want to believe John?

In reality, your views are about as radical as a bare bottom on channel 4 after the 9 o-clock watershed. It might upset a few old dears up way past their bedtime, but for the majority of us it's nothing to get concerned about.

Up until now, I've never been particularly bothered about anything you've said and I actually find it quite preposterous that you think I needed to censor you.

Go ahead John. Believe what you want. Believe that I was blocking you if that makes you sleep better at night and gives you the exciting feeling of being a radical.

Personally I find it rather sad. I thought you were a bit more intelligent than that.

Sleep well mate
Andy

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wow! 1st John is told he hasn't been blocked as you don't have that power even though you state you know it's used in forums to contol trolling, yet in very next breath suggest John terminate membership, well I certainly would get the hint if I was John after all that and the horseshit remarks.

For a place of HOLISTIC people to gather I'm appalled!!!!

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Yes Donna exactly....

Andy .....its not about belief it s about every picture tells a story .I have already said Im quite prepared to accept an alternative explanation.......its just that yours is riddled with holes ....which kind of need to be filled in to get to the end of it ....get it ???....and clearly i hit a nerve

Im really not bothered what you think is going on in my head ...I,ll worry about that ...you just worry about your own ...

Look ....its quite clear we come with very fundamental philosophical differences ...that cant live easily together and thats fine.But when something like this happens ..its going to be like matter meets anti _matter .

But whether you like it or not your going to have to take responsibility for what you say and that it has consequences and meaning to others and just deal with it at that level. .... just dont throw a tantrum cos your in a hole.

Get real Andy ...your the conspiracy theorist ...your the "aliens have got it in for us " man...if thats not delusion and persecution...what is!!! .....and if you think that is the new radicalism for the new age ...

I think Ill stick to bare bottoms and the 9 o'clock news....-

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