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 10-04-2008 04:47:56 PM
Andy
Andy
Administrator
From: United Kingdom

You possess a more evolved consciousness when you:

1) Live in ways that enable all other people to live as well, satisfying your needs without detracting from the chances of other people to satisfy theirs.

2) Live in ways that respect the right to live and to economic and cultural development of all people, wherever they live and whatever their ethnic origin, sex, citizenship, station in life, and belief system.

3) Live in ways that safeguard the intrinsic right to life and to an environment supportive of life for all things that live and grow on Earth.

4) Pursue happiness, freedom, and personal fulfilment in harmony with the integrity of nature and with consideration for the similar pursuits of others in society.

5) Require that your government relate to other nations and peoples peacefully and in a spirit of cooperation, recognizing the legitimate aspirations for a better life and a healthy environment of all the people in the human family.

6) Require business enterprises to accept responsibility for all their stakeholders as well as for the sustainability of their environment, demanding that they produce goods and offer services that satisfy legitimate demand without impairing nature and reducing the opportunities of smaller and less privileged entrants to compete in the marketplace.

7) Require public media to provide a constant stream of reliable information on basic trends and crucial processes to enable you and other citizen and consumers to reach informed decisions on issues that affect your and their life and well-being.

8) Make room in your life to help those less privileged than you to live a life of dignity, free from the struggles and humiliations of abject poverty.

9) Encourage young people and open-minded people of all ages to evolve the spirit that could empower them to make ethical decisions of their own on issues that decide their future and the future of their children.

10) Work with like-minded people to preserve or restore the essential balances of the environment, with attention to your neighbourhood, your country or region, and the whole of the biosphere.

From “The Chaos Point – The World at a Crossroads” by Ervin Laszlo

Synopsis

Revered author and systems theorist Ervin Laszlo provides a concise, yet encompassing overview of the present world situation, showing where we are, and how we got here. Where we are, Laszlo tells us, is at a critical juncture in history, a 'decision-window' where we face both the danger of global collapse and the opportunity of worldwide renewal. According to Laszlo we have six to seven years to head off unsustainable trends that would lead to a 'tipping point' beyond which there is no turning back.

After this tipping point we either evolve to a safer, more sustainable world, or the social, economic and ecological systems that frame our life break down. This is the Chaos Point, but this need not be the end of the world, only the end of a phase of the world beyond which a new world could dawn. In today's decision-window, we have a unique chance of creating that new world and this pioneering book tells us what healing and renewal means, and how each of us can help in achieving it.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chaos-Point-World-Crossroads/dp/074992716X/

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 29-04-2008 09:55:25 AM
Ensha
Ensha
From: Australia

Hi Andy, I like what you have put up in regards to consciousness. And will go and check out the link.

This year in particular feels like it is all about consciousness raising in a much much more expanded way. The old systems look like they are on the way out.

Ensha

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 4-05-2008 10:14:56 PM
John
John
From: United Kingdom

So is this as in "walking your talk "... ????

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 6-05-2008 12:45:07 PM
Asif
Asif
Moderator
From: United Kingdom
John wrote:
So is this as in "walking your talk "... ????

I dont think Andy wrote the piece Dogface! But I get your point though.... should we post an article on a way to live if we agree with it and yet have not put it entirely into practise? I think so, after all some will find that easier to take on board the concepts than other. If it helps to raise the consciousness of someone by merely sharing it then Bravo I say.

Good to have you back on here John, where did you go to? Lamppost heaven or something?

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 6-05-2008 06:10:05 PM
Helen
Helen
From: United Kingdom
Andy wrote:
5) Require that your government relate to other nations and peoples peacefully and in a spirit of cooperation, recognizing the legitimate aspirations for a better life and a healthy environment of all the people in the human family.

6) Require business enterprises to accept responsibility for all their stakeholders as well as for the sustainability of their environment, demanding that they produce goods and offer services that satisfy legitimate demand without impairing nature and reducing the opportunities of smaller and less privileged entrants to compete in the marketplace.

Now these are tough ones!! How does he suggest we 'require' this to happen? I may require it, and you may require it, but if everyone (or at least a vast majority) does not require it - then absolutely nothing will change.

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 6-05-2008 07:47:59 PM
John
John
From: United Kingdom

[quot/ ] Good to have you back on here John, where did you go to? Lamppost heaven or something?[/quote




Put it this way .......it wasn't for the want of trying .....nice to know I was missed by someone .......chubby cheeks. ;)

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 6-05-2008 08:09:33 PM
Andy
Andy
Administrator
From: United Kingdom
John wrote:
Put it this way .......it wasn't for the want of trying .....

Aha, so you've had a few connection issues! But instead of trying to contact me you've concocted an elaborate conspiracy theory that we're blocking your IP address. I never had you down as the conspiracy theory type John ;)

We have been experiencing a bizarre problem with our server which has resulted in some users on certain ISPs not been able to access the site at certain times - including myself, although usually the problem lasts no longer than 10 or 15 minutes.

Our server admin guy has supposedly changed something to resolve the situation and I haven't seemed to have any connection problems of my own for several weeks, but I would appreciate it if anyone would let me know if they're still have problems accessing the site.

Thanks
Andy

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 6-05-2008 09:08:36 PM
John
John
From: United Kingdom

Well certainly looked that way ...and that was the way it looked by a friend who just happens to be a computer wizz kid . Funy how I just could never get on for 3 months . Every www with holisticlocal in it got a ' bingo ' server not found . All different times , but ALL the time .I even just sat there for ages trying it . No problem with any other site . No spam filter problems . For a while I dismissed it then my friend said it looked very much like I was being cloaked out .

So the test was the video which I got Neil to post logging on for me . ....and look what suddenly happens within a few days Im back on anytime! everytime !

Theres absolutely no doubt about it ....something changed significantly and through someones intervention.

So what would you conclude in my shoes ?.....anyhow its enough for me that you know what the truth is ?...I wasnt actually going to ask or confront you. What would you have said anyway? ....guilty as charged ??. Course not ...and anyhow it might not have been you..... but it was someone .

As you say , and I quote you;

" I know that occasionally discussion forums will use this tactic as a last resort in order to deal with 'trolls' if they persistently keep rejoining (usually after having been banned) to cause more trouble. However, it's not a particularly effective tactic because all said troll needs to do is either change ISP, use an internet cafe, or use an anonymous proxy service."

So ...shit happens !......As for conspiracy theorist....just because your paranoid ...doesnt mean the B 'stds aren't out to get you.

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 6-05-2008 09:40:04 PM
Andy
Andy
Administrator
From: United Kingdom
John wrote:
Theres absolutely no doubt about it ....something changed significantly and through someones intervention.

Well I can say hand on heart that it had nothing to do with us. It's incredibly bizarre that you've been locked out for 3 months. That doesn't make any sense at all. But a lot of people, including myself have been having connectivity problems for quite awhile. Probably over 6 months in fact, and nobody can explain it, not even our server admin guy. All I know that there's been some bizarre problem that's made our IP address invisible to various ISPs for periods of time.

So I can't completely rule out that there is a conspiracy going on to prevent people from accessing Holistic Local (I confess that thought has crossed my mind many times), but I can absolutely assure you, that it's got nothing to do with me or Jason. As far as I'm aware we don't have the capability to block anyone (it's certainly not written into the software Jason's created).

Andy

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 6-05-2008 09:59:26 PM
John
John
From: United Kingdom
Andy wrote:

So I can't completely rule out that there is a conspiracy going on to prevent people from accessing Holistic Local (I confess that thought has crossed my mind many times), but I can absolutely assure you, that it's got nothing to do with me or Jason

Andy

So its not unreasonable for me to have come to the same conclusion........and that it would probably have been you or Jason ?


Also ..perhaps if you,ve been having all these bizzarre connectivity problems over the last 6 months ....you should mention it in the newsletter ....just so everybody knows .;)

Troll

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 6-05-2008 10:19:36 PM
Andy
Andy
Administrator
From: United Kingdom
John wrote:
So its not unreasonable for me to come to that conclusion.....

Not unless you have a rational reason as to why we would ban you from the site without so much as a single warning about bad behaviour. And you've never been badly behaved unless speaking your mind and disagreeing with a few people is considered bad behaviour, which it isn't in my book.

Plus, if I was blocking you then I would surely be blocking Jayne too? And why on earth would I want to do that?

Anyway, if your connectivity issues return then please let me know straight away because I might decide to switch to a new host if this problem still hasn't been resolved. It worries me a lot to think about how many people might not have joined the site because they couldn't access it. I have no idea how widespread the problem has been and potentially we could have missed out on hundreds of new members.

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 6-05-2008 10:34:34 PM
John
John
From: United Kingdom

Well no you wouldnt have blocked Jayne as for 4 months she was 200 miles away on maternity leave at my folks - (using a different computer) ....might look as if we're not together anymore?

So now your asking ?...okay!

No ...obviously not 'bad behaviour '.....but maybe just ..'dont really want to hear what you,ve got to say' perhaps ...? Also I was very rarely going on ...so perhaps a wee helping hand might see me go for good.

Afterall Andy it is your site and as you once said ..."I can do what I like ."

Your asked the question !!!

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 6-05-2008 11:12:25 PM
Andy
Andy
Administrator
From: United Kingdom

Well I'd like to think I have a little bit more integrity than to block someone because I might not agree with absolutely everything they say! ;)

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 6-05-2008 11:41:56 PM
John
John
From: United Kingdom

So did I ! ................

(sorry... the hair rinse didnt quite turn out as I wanted )

Troll

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 7-05-2008 12:23:22 AM
Asif
Asif
Moderator
From: United Kingdom
Andy wrote:
John wrote:
So its not unreasonable for me to come to that conclusion.....

Not unless you have a rational reason as to why we would ban you from the site without so much as a single warning about bad behaviour. And you've never been badly behaved unless speaking your mind and disagreeing with a few people is considered bad behaviour, which it isn't in my book.

Plus, if I was blocking you then I would surely be blocking Jayne too? And why on earth would I want to do that?

Anyway, if your connectivity issues return then please let me know straight away because I might decide to switch to a new host if this problem still hasn't been resolved. It worries me a lot to think about how many people might not have joined the site because they couldn't access it. I have no idea how widespread the problem has been and potentially we could have missed out on hundreds of new members.

I would have banned him for being doggy-faced personally, but I'm like that y'know

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 7-05-2008 12:38:54 AM
John
John
From: United Kingdom

just wait until i get hold of your ip number Asif !......then your history pal !.....;)

(Hang on !...It was here a while ago .....on one minute ..off the next......I know what it feels like ! ).......poor Andy ....doesnt know if hes coming or going at the moment !!!

:)

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 7-05-2008 12:45:46 AM
Asif
Asif
Moderator
From: United Kingdom
John wrote:

Poor Andy ....doesnt know if hes coming or going at the moment !!!

:)

no chnage there then.

Happy woof to you john

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 7-05-2008 12:50:57 AM
John
John
From: United Kingdom

What do you mean?!.. woof! !

think I'm a dog or something ?

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 7-05-2008 06:56:16 AM
Jon
Jon
From: New Zealand

John, I can honestly say that if anyone here was to get banned it would be me. From time to time Ihave had a couple of run-ins with people and I have not been 'soft'. Andy has even tried ti silence me, nicely that is.
I just think EVERYONE is out to get you, and me too.

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 7-05-2008 07:04:46 AM
Jon
Jon
From: New Zealand

Well no you wouldnt have blocked Jayne as for 4 months she was 200 miles away on maternity leave at my folks

What......what....are you related to Jayne, John?????????

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