I am always happy to hear of someones recovery from an illness, but I do believe that there is no one cure for everything..

Depending on the severity of the health condition, I think there are always a few factors involved, just like there is not just one cause for Cancer.

If you can raise the body’s life force, then you are on the way to healing, and that can be through nutrition, acupuncture, herbalism, kinesiology, and many other therapies. If you can balance the mind and body together with meditation techniques, EFT etc. then you are in an even more powerful position.

It all depends on the individual’s case history and what the underlying cause is. If someone’s Chronic Fatigue’s underlying cause was that they are riddled with parasites and a chronic candida condition, plus 13 mercury fillings in their mouth, then meditation alone is not going to address it. If these other factors were addressed also, and medtation was included, then I would say they have a better chance of being on the road to full recovery.

There are various levels of chronic fatigue and causes. Some people’s immune systems are impaired with mass vaccination, together with an abysmal diet and severe vitamin/mineral deficiencies, together with allergies.

It is all relevant.

Ann

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Hi Frances,Ann,
My Kundalini did not become active on it's own, I received shaktipat from my sadguru which awakens the Kundalini safely and I have experienced no problems whatsoever. It's a completely different ballgame than having a spontaneous awakening which can bring with it all sorts of problems of it's own.
I am not claiming meditation has all the answers on it's own but it is only a part of yoga that when combined with the other limbs can have a dramatic effect on your health and life.Very few have the stamina to follow a daily program of anything , never mind meditation, unless it is drinking and eating.LOL
L&L
Dave

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Ann, you have been listening to my lecture, haven't you. Now come on, admit it.
We are all individuals, what works for one will not necessarily work for another.

I see what you are saying David, and feel it is very worthwhile and important. The point is that no 1 modality has all the answers.That is the whole point.

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The only lectures of yours Jon, that I can remember, are the ones where you tell me how wonderful I am! I like them - they're really good

I am all fired up now, David, to start meditating every day! I started this morning.

Ann

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Hi Jon,
Actually I wasn't claiming that there is one for all but that for all round health meditation offers a simplle and effective source.Hands up anyone who wants a simple, effective way to improve their energy flow and health?Can be used by all and has already been practiced by everyone on earth at birth.
L&L
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Hi all

Dave said that when you meditate you need less sleep.

When does this happen? Lately I've been too tired to meditate. When I try, I just fall asleep. When I fist started primordial sound meditation I was doing really well and doing it regularly, as I was taught, but needed just as much sleep.

Steph - feeling rather stuck as she has one of the healthiest diets and general lifestyles that she knows of and still feels naff.

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Hi Steph,
Are you sure you are falling asleep?Deeper states of consciousness lead to samadhi which can be mistaken for sleep but which is much different.Without knowing what your practices include it is impossible to make any conclusion.There are many misconceptions about the experiences of meditation, a common one being that you are switching your mind off and eliminating thoughts.Without an experienced teacher this is a common thought which is incorrect.
Samadhi is a deep state of consciousness in which the body can often appear asleep, comatose and in which the respiration and heart rate drops to a very slow beat.This is a much deeper state than sleep.
L&L
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Hi Dave

Well, it feels like sleep, lol.

My meditation teacher said that 3 things can happen when you meditate (primordial sound method). 1. You have thoughts. 2. You fall asleep. 3. You go into "the gap". The feelings of falling asleep when I meditate this way involve feeling like I've just woken up afterwards (different to coming out of "the gap"), feeling groggy and sleepy and sometimes dreaming, but usually without remembering much detail. It feels very similar to when I fall asleep during lectures or conferences sometimes.

A few years back I started shamanic journeying (for those who don't know, listening to a drum beat and allowing the imagination to wander into "non-ordinary reality", which is pretty much the subconscious; you go on a journey into various landscapes, meet various creatures or people - guides or totems etc and find what you need in yourself) and fell asleep during that too. Similar thing - feeling like I was falling asleep then waking up, sometimes dreaming and the ones I can remember seemed very much like standard dreams of the brain filing away recent events.

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Hi Steph,
Do you lie down or sit when meditating.I recommend that you sit in a comfortable chair with your back straight and supported.It is not necessary to be sat in a posture with knees crossed etc. in fact if you are not comfortable you will have little success.
L&L
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Steph, it sounds like you could be sodium deficient. You seem to fall asleeep so easily, either that or you don't get enough sleep.

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Many people go through this sleep issue and it is often a phase as one develops. As I understand it most people aren't used to their mind being quiet and when it is quieter they fall asleep. It is a matter of developing awareness/consciousness and dropping identity with the mind so that when there is a lack of mental content one remains aware rather than falling into the mental pattern that we have always lived with, that being quiet mind equals sleep. As we become more attuned to having increased awareness with a reduction in the endless array of thoughts, sleep and other heavy states of mind become less and less. It is simply a matter of practice, but practice with patience. As this is the process of changing the mental patterns most of us has lived with for decades. Such changes take a bit of time.

It is also worth noting that many forms of meditation (I'm not familiar with the one you mention) are quite mentally demanding and use up a lot of energy. Developing sustained concentration to the degree of one pointedness is not to be underestimated and again is a matter of building up and being patience with the speed at which one can develop.

Om Shanti
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Sorry its been a while - been on holiday.

Jon, can you elaborate more on the sodium deficiency or point me towards any further reading? I've often thought I might be a bit salt deficient because I don't tend to use much in cooking and go through stages of guzzling soda water.

Staying awake when sat still (especially in dark, quiet, warm environments) has always been a problem for me - even sometimes sitting at my desk.

Meditating is always sat up, comfortably, with my back supported - legs doing whatever the feel like at the time. Shamanic journeying is done laying down though.

Neil, I don't think it is a mind quietening so shutting off thing - it feels very similar to falling asleep in lectures, when my mind is definately active - I'll still be attempting to write notes, but get a random scrawl, lol.

Thanks for the input.
Steph

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Steph, sodium chloride is a salt that is very important to us. It is also what table salt is, but it is not in a form, as table salt, that we as humans can absorb. Find a supplier of Sheussler Cell Salts and take Nat. Mur, which is Sodium Chloride, in a form we can absorb. Further reference see
www.biochemic-remedies.com/welcome.htm

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