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 2-11-2007 10:57:50 AM
Jayne
Jayne
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From: United Kingdom

An illuminating article by William Bloom.....

If you've been following my columns, you'll know I'm pursuing a thread. It is all about the difference between spirituality and …what shall we call it? Psychism, psychic phenomena, metaphysics, the occult, mediumism and so on.


http://www.holisticlocal.co.uk/articles/view/992/PSYCHIC+AND+SPIRITUAL+POWERS

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 3-11-2007 11:36:54 AM
Helen
Helen
From: United Kingdom

Hello Jayne - you'vbe just reminded me of a short note that I often include in info to participants in workshops:

A distinction must be made between what is referred to as “psychic” and “spiritual”.

The psychic world refers to those aspects that relate to what is commonly known as the 4th dimension – mediums, seers & psychics seem to be able to penetrate the mist that blocks most people from seeing more than is apparent in the three dimensional world we know – they can ‘see spirit(s)’ and can receive information about other entities and lives etc.

The spiritual realms are the 5th & 6th dimensions relating to pure energy or intelligence (universal life force) where we learn to follow that silent, intuitive inner voice that directs us in all things.

Would you agree with this?

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 3-11-2007 04:53:42 PM
Jon
Jon
From: New Zealand

I agree with you Helen, mind you, the inner voice can depend on the number scotch's I have. Sorry, my joke, seriously, how many dimesions are you aware of?

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 3-11-2007 08:32:29 PM
Jayne
Jayne
Moderator
From: United Kingdom

Rings true for me Helen -

Now Jon - its not your fault you're up-side-down but please come back to the same dimension as the rest of us!!! (asap)

;) Jayne

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 7-04-2008 11:03:10 PM
Suzanne
Suzanne
From: New Zealand

With what we know about this wonderful world of Quantum Physics there's obviously a dimension where magical things happen - and can manifest in the physical, and not always necessarily for the betterment of one's soul.

But how does one tell whether
What one is seeing in vision is a prophetic message...?
A replay of imagined -either consciously or unconsciously - desires and dreams...?
Or an overlapping into someone else's creative DVD...?

Mmmm interesting! I think I am getting some answers on this as I write, but I'll be interested to hear what others think.

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 9-04-2008 08:15:39 AM
Jon
Jon
From: New Zealand

Obviously Suzanne, it depends on the number of scotches you have had.

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 9-04-2008 09:57:05 AM
Helen
Helen
From: United Kingdom
Suzanne wrote:
With what we know about this wonderful world of Quantum Physics there's obviously a dimension where magical things happen
They only called magical because the scientists can't explain them (yet)! Scientists have great disdain for anything they can't get their heads round - hence the rubbishing of complementary therapies! However, thousands of years of mystics' observations cannot be ruled out. If there really wasn't a place (dimension) where 'magical things happen', the concept would have died an excruciating death a long time ago.

Suzanne wrote:
But how does one tell whether
What one is seeing in vision is a prophetic message...?
A replay of imagined -either consciously or unconsciously - desires and dreams...?
Or an overlapping into someone else's creative DVD...?
Well I'm not sure about the creative DVD :) In fact, there's no answer to the other two questions either...I think each person has to trust his experience. I believe Time has a different meaning in the 'magical place'. Like dreams - what are they telling us? After my mother died I had an unusual dream, but time (2 years) confirmed that she was showing me the woman my father was later to marry - she was the exact same lady shown to me in the dream!!

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 10-04-2008 10:41:41 PM
Suzanne
Suzanne
From: New Zealand
Jayne wrote:
An illuminating article by William Bloom.....

If you've been following my columns, you'll know I'm pursuing a thread. It is all about the difference between spirituality and …what shall we call it? Psychism, psychic phenomena, metaphysics, the occult, mediumism and so on.


http://www.holisticlocal.co.uk/articles/view/992/PSYCHIC+AND+SPIRITUAL+
POWERS

This is a really interesting article, thanks Jayne, and is helping me sort out this question “When is a vision a prophetic message? Or is it a replay of desires and fears?” I was fed a diet of the lives of Catholic Saints as a young child. One story I remember was of a priest you had visions of the devil; so intense where these experiences that the priest's prayer book was marked by a burn mark. Of course, one hopefully throws this stuff away as one forms their own beliefs and realises the devil thingy is only a personification for negativity. BUT - there is a devil if you want to believe in the devil! (The story of the priest is an example of fear creating a manifestation. Also, “The 20th century saw one of the most famous stigmatics, Padre Pio of Italy, who bore the bleeding wounds of Christ’s crucifixion for decades and has since been declared a saint by the Roman Catholic Church. The phenomena was even more pronounced with the sigmatic Therese Neumann.) www.theparanormalreport.com/the-stigmata.html

These phenomena are obviously a level created out of thought, because the bleeding wounds appear in the palms of the hands and historians and researchers now know that the palms could not have help the weight and the nails would have gone through the wrists. This is the 'magical dimension' I was referring to from where things can manifest; it’s obviously a level – and what are dimensions anyway but levels of consciousness! It is, as the William Bloom article points out that ‘In the Hindu scriptures these occult skills are called 'siddis'. There are higher siddhis and lower siddhis. The lower ones are to do with clairvoyance, psychism and the manipulation of energy. The higher ones are to do with expansions of consciousness, discernment and the ability, for example, to blend with new dimensions.’

I would definitely not brand all clairvoyance and psychism in the lower siddhis – everything is levels, and in my opinion, there are levels to these gifts.

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 11-04-2008 10:17:23 AM
Neil
Neil
From: United Kingdom

Namaste all,

Suzanne wrote:
I would definitely not brand all clairvoyance and psychism in the lower siddhis – everything is levels, and in my opinion, there are levels to these gifts.

The level/degree of clairvoyance that most of us are familiar are considered lower siddhis in many Hindu traditions because they don't necessarily represent much spiritual development. They can be developed quite independently of any spiritual development. I've encountered many people with such lower siddhis, but they were quite spiritually and morally wanting. Such siddhis can be developed without a person working on themselves as such.

Also in many Hndu traditions siddhis aren't considered a gift, quite the opposite. They can be a burden and a challenge. For the aspirant who is seeking spiritual development and developments in consciousness such siddhis simply produce just more challenges to be overcome. At best they are often seen as sign posts that the mind is becoming stiller, clearer and more sensitive. When such siddhis occur the common advice is to ignore them as much as possible, rather than give them attention and to develop them, least one is diverted from being focussed on the higher goals of the path.

To me it seems to be a matter of difference in perspective of such lower siddhis. In much of the western culture these are viewed with some degree of awe and a goal unto themselves. While in the much of the East they are viewed more as a by product of progress in the abidance of a deeper internal existence.

Om Shanti
Neil

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 11-04-2008 10:34:05 AM
Helen
Helen
From: United Kingdom

I couldn't agree with you more, Neil, especially..

The level/degree of clairvoyance that most of us are familiar are considered lower siddhis in many Hindu traditions because they don't necessarily represent much spiritual development. They can be developed quite independently of any spiritual development. I've encountered many people with such lower siddhis, but they were quite spiritually and morally wanting. Such siddhis can be developed without a person working on themselves as such.

In 'Spiritualist Churches' in this country, there is so much bickering & back-biting going on! Some of the people involved are not very nice persons at all. I only went to a Spiritualist Church once, because I wanted to know exactly what it was all about & I had a problem with it. What I experienced there, including a 'seance', only confirmed the issue I had with it all, I'm afraid. Some of them are very power-hungry & I found the whole thing very negative - for me, anyway.

So I would advise anyone who really wants to develop their spiritual path, to avoid clairvoyance etc & just be true to your heart.

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